Comments for Navya Shastra http://navyashastra.wordpress.com Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:18:40 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 Comment on Navya Shastra Apology to Dalits by Bal Ragoonanan http://navyashastra.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/hello-world/#comment-632 Bal Ragoonanan Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:18:40 +0000 http://navyashastra.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/hello-world/#comment-632 More than apologies, we need laws and universal mandatory primary and secondary education to stop religious and racial bigotry at every level. In the link below is a presentation advocating new laws for doing so. http://www.crusadewatch.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1057&Itemid=128 More than apologies, we need laws and universal mandatory primary and secondary education to stop religious and racial bigotry at every level. In the link below is a presentation advocating new laws for doing so.

http://www.crusadewatch.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1057&Itemid=128

]]> Comment on Navya Shastra Apology to Dalits by Jayaraman Shankaranarayanan http://navyashastra.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/hello-world/#comment-613 Jayaraman Shankaranarayanan Sun, 06 Sep 2009 16:33:38 +0000 http://navyashastra.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/hello-world/#comment-613 I hang my head in shame when I hear about the atrocities committed against Dalits and Tribals in the past by the upper castes. An apology by the upper castes for oppressing the lower castes is long overdue and I congratulate Navya Shastra for taking this step in time. I suggest that this movement be taken forward by providing schools for the downtrodden that educate all Hindus against the evils of the caste system and give future generations an enlightened outlook. We must help the Navya Shastra movement finanically as well as politically. As Swami Vivekananda said, the caste system is nothing but a lunatic asylum. I hang my head in shame when I hear about the atrocities committed against Dalits and Tribals in the past by the upper castes. An apology by the upper castes for oppressing the lower castes is long overdue and I congratulate Navya Shastra for taking this step in time. I suggest that this movement be taken forward by providing schools for the downtrodden that educate all Hindus against the evils of the caste system and give future generations an enlightened outlook. We must help the Navya Shastra movement finanically as well as politically. As Swami Vivekananda said, the caste system is nothing but a lunatic asylum.

]]> Comment on Navya Shastra Apology to Dalits by Ramakrishnan http://navyashastra.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/hello-world/#comment-611 Ramakrishnan Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:17:30 +0000 http://navyashastra.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/hello-world/#comment-611 Not just words of apology, I am willing to start a campaign of falling on the feet of elders of the Deprived community. I am a Brahmin and follow the laid down regular rituals, adhering to vegetarianism and look at everyone equally. I am sorry to all my brethren Hindus for my ancestors mistakes. This is a welcome initiative and can cause greater unity among Hindus. Some Christian missionaries and Jihadists may be very angry against this initiative. Thank God, all Hindus must unite. No one is superior or inferior by birth. Not just words of apology, I am willing to start a campaign of falling on the feet of elders of the Deprived community. I am a Brahmin and follow the laid down regular rituals, adhering to vegetarianism and look at everyone equally. I am sorry to all my brethren Hindus for my ancestors mistakes. This is a welcome initiative and can cause greater unity among Hindus. Some Christian missionaries and Jihadists may be very angry against this initiative. Thank God, all Hindus must unite. No one is superior or inferior by birth.

]]> Comment on Navya Shastra Apology to Dalits by kureela http://navyashastra.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/hello-world/#comment-374 kureela Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:00:08 +0000 http://navyashastra.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/hello-world/#comment-374 ALL HINDUS ARE BORN BASTARD WHO ARE WORSHIPPING CORRUPT RAMA AND kRISHANA WHO WERE MORALLY CORRUPT.TIME HAS COME HINDUS SHOULD BE WIPED OUT FROM THE EARTH SO NO HINDU WILL BLOCK THE DALIT UPLIFTMENT.PAKISTAN SHOULD HELP THE DALITS TO BRING INDIA ON THEIR KNEES.THIS IS BEST TIME TO FUCK THESE BASTARD HINDUS AND THEIR SHASTRA.LONG LIVE DR AMBEDKAR WHO HAD BAMBBOED THESE BASTARD AND DALITS HAVE TO FOLLOWS THE LEGACY OF DR AMBEDKAR. ALL HINDUS ARE BORN BASTARD WHO ARE WORSHIPPING CORRUPT RAMA AND kRISHANA WHO WERE MORALLY CORRUPT.TIME HAS COME HINDUS SHOULD BE WIPED OUT FROM THE EARTH SO NO HINDU WILL BLOCK THE DALIT UPLIFTMENT.PAKISTAN SHOULD HELP THE DALITS TO BRING INDIA ON THEIR KNEES.THIS IS BEST TIME TO FUCK THESE BASTARD HINDUS AND THEIR SHASTRA.LONG LIVE DR AMBEDKAR WHO HAD BAMBBOED THESE BASTARD AND DALITS HAVE TO FOLLOWS THE LEGACY OF DR AMBEDKAR.

]]> Comment on Navya Shastra Apology to Dalits by kureela http://navyashastra.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/hello-world/#comment-349 kureela Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:57:26 +0000 http://navyashastra.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/hello-world/#comment-349 you hindus are born barbaric,you should be punished in same what you have done to dalits and minorities in India.Apology would not fed the dalits because their land and properties had snatched by your hindu dharma guru.dalits have to fight these war with hindus.time has come dalits should demand for seprate electorate away from barbaric hindus.give two finger to nayashastra and their followers who are misleading dalits in name aplogy.hindus are born terrorist and barbaric who had demolished the Babri mosque and occupying the Bodg Gaya temple.2.5 millions hindus have fun in USA which is christian country but these bastard are sending American dollar to kill the christians in Orissa.christian countries should throw these bastard from their holy land who are worshipping the congenital abnormal god and godeses. you hindus are born barbaric,you should be punished in same what you have done to dalits and minorities in India.Apology would not fed the dalits because their land and properties had snatched by your hindu dharma guru.dalits have to fight these war with hindus.time has come dalits should demand for seprate electorate away from barbaric hindus.give two finger to nayashastra and their followers who are misleading dalits in name aplogy.hindus are born terrorist and barbaric who had demolished the Babri mosque and occupying the Bodg Gaya temple.2.5 millions hindus have fun in USA which is christian country but these bastard are sending American dollar to kill the christians in Orissa.christian countries should throw these bastard from their holy land who are worshipping the congenital abnormal god and godeses.

]]> Comment on Navya Shastra Apology to Dalits by Vinay Kumar http://navyashastra.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/hello-world/#comment-337 Vinay Kumar Sat, 06 Sep 2008 04:36:41 +0000 http://navyashastra.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/hello-world/#comment-337 I was pleased almost to the point of tears on seeing this. As a "brahmin" (by birth, but not by qualification), I have always felt both a deep sense of guilt, and of rage, at how some unscrupulous elements converted the varna system (which was based on qualification and deeds) into something hereditary, which is today known as caste. I have contemplated starting a blog such as this with the express purpose of providing apology. But you beat me to it! Great work. Next, we must remove all the later interpolations to the various scriptures which are against the spirit of Hindu Dharma and did not appear in its early scripture. I was pleased almost to the point of tears on seeing this. As a “brahmin” (by birth, but not by qualification), I have always felt both a deep sense of guilt, and of rage, at how some unscrupulous elements converted the varna system (which was based on qualification and deeds) into something hereditary, which is today known as caste. I have contemplated starting a blog such as this with the express purpose of providing apology. But you beat me to it! Great work. Next, we must remove all the later interpolations to the various scriptures which are against the spirit of Hindu Dharma and did not appear in its early scripture.

]]> Comment on Navya Shastra Apology to Dalits by Neeraj Bhatnagar http://navyashastra.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/hello-world/#comment-287 Neeraj Bhatnagar Wed, 21 May 2008 07:21:33 +0000 http://navyashastra.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/hello-world/#comment-287 Dear NavyaShastra: As a person who has at least once myself apologized for the caste system on a public forum, I found it heartening to see your published apology. We can never apologize enough and your's is a step in the right direction. Reading your apology and tens of responses supporting it, gives me so much strength. I personally follow a "don't ask, don't tell, don't guess" policy with respect to caste system. I hope some day it becomes the norm. I applaud your effort in this direction. Neeraj Bhatnagar Dear NavyaShastra: As a person who has at least once myself apologized for the caste system on a public forum, I found it heartening to see your published apology. We can never apologize enough and your’s is a step in the right direction. Reading your apology and tens of responses supporting it, gives me so much strength.

I personally follow a “don’t ask, don’t tell, don’t guess” policy with respect to caste system. I hope some day it becomes the norm. I applaud your effort in this direction.

Neeraj Bhatnagar

]]> Comment on Navya Shastra Apology to Dalits by suresh balaraman http://navyashastra.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/hello-world/#comment-267 suresh balaraman Mon, 05 May 2008 01:03:28 +0000 http://navyashastra.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/hello-world/#comment-267 Even though i have never ever willfully abused anybody in life owing to untouchability-but as a principle behind this movement,i too join and apologise,knowingly or un-knowingly if i have commited such a heinous act.Though i feel ashamed that,we still have a tag called dalit. Even though i have never ever willfully abused anybody in life owing to untouchability-but as a principle behind this movement,i too join and apologise,knowingly or un-knowingly if i have commited such a heinous act.Though i feel ashamed that,we still have a tag called dalit.

]]> Comment on Navya Shastra Apology to Dalits by Veera-B http://navyashastra.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/hello-world/#comment-245 Veera-B Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:31:04 +0000 http://navyashastra.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/hello-world/#comment-245 While I applaud your efforts to eliminate caste discrimination, I cannot agree with your views that caste or varna in itself is inherently bad. I do not also agree that Manu neethi is all bad. THere are parts of this great treatise that are not in agreement with modern value systems. The purposes of the harsh rhetoric in the text is to allow only a few people to orally transmit the vedas. Allowing everyone to chant the vedas without a recording device would have resulted in gross mutilations of vedas over centuries. The brahmin males were of course not the only ones capable of doing so. However, chanting the vedas in and of itself cannot be done without a conducive environment at home. In our modern day, we've numerous devices to store and transmit information without losing data. However, in the olden times, you'd absolute specialists who were doing this all day to transmit this ancient wisdom. In sum, proper transmission of both the meaning and sounds of the vedas could not have been done in a non-birth based system in olden times when rapid printing presses and recording devices were absent. It had to be a close clique of people whose only job it is to chant and transmit vedas. But of course, everyone's role in society is important. That perhaps was not observed and that created issues for other castes. Please stop badmouthing brahmanas and the hereditary based vedic chanting. It is possibly the only way to trasmit knowledge in the absense of a sound recording device. Most people in this forum have not gone through the rigors of the life of a vedic priest. Most of these principles are taught at home and also by a guru. If a sudra parent is to encourage his son to learn vedas, the ideas he would be imparted at home would be at variance with his guru. That is why they called it varna shankara. Of course, food habits are also different for different castes. How could sudra parents who cooked and ate non-veg food co-exist with a son who is a vegetarian and who is taught vedas by a vedic guru. How would you work this out? The sheer logistics of food, and other practices would be an impossible nightmare to work out. That is precisely why the great Manu rishi delegated veda recital to a birth-based system. Please understand the root causes of issues before you jump the gun and kill the baby with the bath water. Having said that, I do agree Manu appears very harsh on the surface in some of his writings but his intent is to preserve harmony in society and faultlessly trasmit vedic knowledge. Manu never prevented Sudras from learning many other things except vedas. Of course, the untouchability that was practiced is pretty nasty and gruesome. No quarrel here. But please keep everything in perspective here. While I applaud your efforts to eliminate caste discrimination, I cannot agree with your views that caste or varna in itself is inherently bad. I do not also agree that Manu neethi is all bad. THere are parts of this great treatise that are not in agreement with modern value systems. The purposes of the harsh rhetoric in the text is to allow only a few people to orally transmit the vedas. Allowing everyone to chant the vedas without a recording device would have resulted in gross mutilations of vedas over centuries. The brahmin males were of course not the only ones capable of doing so. However, chanting the vedas in and of itself cannot be done without a conducive environment at home. In our modern day, we’ve numerous devices to store and transmit information without losing data. However, in the olden times, you’d absolute specialists who were doing this all day to transmit this ancient wisdom. In sum, proper transmission of both the meaning and sounds of the vedas could not have been done in a non-birth based system in olden times when rapid printing presses and recording devices were absent. It had to be a close clique of people whose only job it is to chant and transmit vedas. But of course, everyone’s role in society is important. That perhaps was not observed and that created issues for other castes.

Please stop badmouthing brahmanas and the hereditary based vedic chanting. It is possibly the only way to trasmit knowledge in the absense of a sound recording device. Most people in this forum have not gone through the rigors of the life of a vedic priest. Most of these principles are taught at home and also by a guru. If a sudra parent is to encourage his son to learn vedas, the ideas he would be imparted at home would be at variance with his guru. That is why they called it varna shankara. Of course, food habits are also different for different castes. How could sudra parents who cooked and ate non-veg food co-exist with a son who is a vegetarian and who is taught vedas by a vedic guru. How would you work this out? The sheer logistics of food, and other practices would be an impossible nightmare to work out. That is precisely why the great Manu rishi delegated veda recital to a birth-based system. Please understand the root causes of issues before you jump the gun and kill the baby with the bath water. Having said that, I do agree Manu appears very harsh on the surface in some of his writings but his intent is to preserve harmony in society and faultlessly trasmit vedic knowledge. Manu never prevented Sudras from learning many other things except vedas.

Of course, the untouchability that was practiced is pretty nasty and gruesome. No quarrel here. But please keep everything in perspective here.

]]> Comment on Navya Shastra Apology to Dalits by G. K. Rao http://navyashastra.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/hello-world/#comment-244 G. K. Rao Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:44:51 +0000 http://navyashastra.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/hello-world/#comment-244 I strongly and wholeheartedly endorse this apology. For Hindu society to move forward, it is absolutely critical that (a) apologies be made to those who have been wronged historically; and (b) ensure that such wrongs in the name of religion do not continue henceforth. The caste system, whether one considers it a social or a spiritual construct, has been a means of discrimination against Dalits and others, and needs to be abolished. I strongly and wholeheartedly endorse this apology. For Hindu society to move forward, it is absolutely critical that (a) apologies be made to those who have been wronged historically; and (b) ensure that such wrongs in the name of religion do not continue henceforth. The caste system, whether one considers it a social or a spiritual construct, has been a means of discrimination against Dalits and others, and needs to be abolished.

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